tisdag 20 oktober 2009

The next "next" on the Ushta Forum?

Dear Judy

Parviz (an Iranian) has tried to convince Mehran - the way you just have - for the past few years or so about the merits of monism but not succeeded. So we are not surprised you failed too. But well done!

You should certainly spend your wonderful energy and intelligence on other issues. And whether you like it or not, despite the fact that the MAJORITY of Americans are dualists like Mehran, your beloved The United States has done rather well in the past 100 years or so. It seems even dualists can work hard and get things done. So no need to bash Iran or any other country because it contains dualists. Successful countries have even more of them than Iran.

As for "vocabulary", who care what vocabulary people are using? What counts is what they believe and what they do. So why not steal other people's vocabulary (say a Marxian vocabulary) and turn into something else (a liberal discourse)? I don't see why you should get so frustrated with dear Dino. He is clearly not the Marxist you have tried to turn him into and according to me at least he won "your debate" hands down by presenting superior arguments to yours.

The fact is that vocabulary is one thing, substance is another. Or like a Salvation Army officer said when he was asked in 19th century London why the Salvation Army took melodies from secular hit songs and gave them Christian lyrics: "Hey, why should The Devil have all the best tunes?". Replace The Devil with Marx and tunes with vocabulary, and you should have a good metaphor for what Dino (and I) have been trying to say all along.

Now, the more interesting question, our proper "next", should of course be: What is your interest in Zarathushtra? When you read the Gathas, what strikes you as the most important aspect of his philosophy? We are all drying to hear, Judy, you are a great addition to the Ushta forum, and when you dig into philosophy you show your best and most educational side to the rest of us. Please keep going!


2009/10/20 Judy Weismonger

I just sent Moobed, bless his soul, to spam hell...I'm out of "good words" (science, logic and reason)...so before I begin stating 'bad words'...I thought it best to avoid him. But, I can now see exactly why why Iran is so intractable and not making any progress in the 21st Century. Poor Iran.

Anyone, can do the same to me...if you get tired of my rhetoric, and want to never receive any posts from me again...anytime one of my posts comes up...just hit the SPAM button a couple of times...and you will not see my posts again. It is your choice....and,

Of all people, I am for Free Will...and choice. Make yours, I won't be offended.

I've sent one last post to Kain as well on the subject of Karl Marx as the founder of sociology...in a "theory" that continues to use the Marxist "vocabularly." I have given him citation after citation after citation to prove that fact...but, it just doesn't click. I imagine I would be quite in denial too if Karl Marx was the founder of my chosen work. Ergo, I'm done with that subject.


Ushta Hugs, Judy

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Rory wrote:

From: Rory
Subject: [Ushta] Re: Stop arguing with The Moderator - and listen to the advice instead!
To: Ushta@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 3:27 PM

Dear Alexander,

Please take the WE out of your argument. I have seen several people disagree with your accusation that Judy's messages are too long or too frequent but I have not one person say that this is the case other than yourself and Dino and Dino says they are too long whereas you say make them longer! This is crazy! You're making a mountain out of a molehill! Who has actually left BECAUSE she is posting too much? And by the way, calling people childish when they are to apologise and explain their point of view really IS childish. Judy has quite correctly pointed out that the individual can actually block messages if they don't want to receive from certain people. That sounds like a perfect solution.

As Parviz has pointed out Judy did get into conversation mode but stopped and everyone seems to be making an effort.


--- In Ushta@yahoogroups. com, Alexander Bard wrote:
> Dear Judy
> You can believe in free choice as much as you want, and you are perfectly
> entitled to voice your opinion, but at the end of the day you are going to
> have to rely on the collective trust of your very own friends who started
> this forum. We appreciate your participation and most of your postings. But
> we are honestly dead tired of the AMOUNT of postings you make and have
> therefore asked you to calm down and post less but more qualitative
> postings. Goodbye oneliners! Now how hard is that to follow and respect?
> Keep posting your excellent postings but skip the meaningless oneliners. OK?
> So please respect this wish. It is called "moderation" and should you choose
> to refer to this capacity as a "Forum Nazi" again I will be forced to ask
> you to leave this forum. That kind of attitude towards the wishes of others
> will not be tolerated. What good is Ushta if it stops working? What freedom
> to communicate do we have then? And I guess that's the end of that.
> Ushta indeed
> Alexander

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