söndag 23 augusti 2009

Monism and The Trinity

Two things:
1. I think Spinoza defined monism for us in a way suitable to Zoroastrianism (he was after all a Zoroastrian thinker) when he said that the world is monist but that monism has an endless number of attributes. The reason why we hold Mazda in sucha high regard, why it is metaphysically significant to us, is because WE are the manifestations of Mazda. The world therefore contians two miracles: Ahura and Mazda. The miracle of existence as a whole is then Ahura Mazda.
2. I agree Christianity borrowed the foundation for The Trinity from Zoroastrian-Essenite philosophy. But I believe The Father is the thought, The Son is the word (St John calles Christ "The Word") and The Holy Ghost is The Deed (go out and make all my disciples, through your deeds will you manifest The Holy Ghost etc). I should stress however that I much prefer the original Zoroastrian concepts here. ;-)

2009/8/22 Special Kain

Dear Parviz,

Actually, there's nothing animistic about monism which is the metaphysical belief that there is only one world or only one guiding principle. Monism is the opposite to dualism (there's a physical world and also an astral world) and to pluralism (there are many different worlds 'out there', both gradually material and immaterial). Since Asha applies to all that is, Zoroastrianism is monism: there's only one guiding principle. Still there's nothing animistic about either Zoroastrianism or monism. :-)

Ushta, Dino

--- Parviz Varjavand schrieb am Sa, 22.8.2009:

Von: Parviz Varjavand
Betreff: Re: [Ushta] Recreating our selves - and Ahura Mazda?
An: Ushta@yahoogroups.com
Datum: Samstag, 22. August 2009, 19:41


First dear Dino, as %99..99 of our universe is life-less matter, we must have it clear in our mind that Ahoora is out there and strong and that we do appreciate and celebrate it. But you are right that it is when it combines with Mazda that it really takes off for us. I do not like the label Monism and other New Age handles because it somehow treats Ahoora as if it is alive. I know, I like to treat clouds or waves as if they are alive too, but that is being poetic, we should not loose track that Mazda is separate from them.

Also dear Alex, I feel that the Trinity of Christianity and Zoroastrianism are related. Father is the Thought, Holly Ghost is the Word, and The Son is the Deed.


--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Alexander Bard wrote:

From: Alexander Bard
Subject: [Ushta] Recreating our selves - and Ahura Mazda?
To: Ushta@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 7:56 AM

I guess you are both right and that there is no contradiction involved.
What about the idea that Ahura Mazda is recreating itself through our recreation of our selves?
I don't see any contradiction whatsoever. Never forget that of the three parts of the Christian trinity, The Holy Spirit is the one that has its roots in Zoroastrian (Essenite) philosophy. The father and the son was never of any concern to as as Mazdayasni.

2009/8/22 Special Kain

That's one of your concerns, isn't it? I'm not so much obsessed with molding the self, but with co-creating the world 'out there'. That's far more powerful. Late-capitalism' s hyper-individualism was fun when I was a teenage neo-Satanist playing keyboards in shitty Black Metal bands. But times change, and we change with them. :-)

Ushta, Dino

--- irisfilpot schrieb am Sa, 22.8.2009:

What happened to recreating the self?

--- In Ushta@yahoogroups. com, Special Kain wrote:
> Dear Parviz,
> I agree. But when combined 'Ahura' and 'Mazda' philosophically stand for any self-aware lifeform that is potentially able to examine the conditions of its existence and apply this knowledge to change its surroundings. There's always much to argue with in detail, but this is what Ahura Mazda AS A SYMBOL means to me. This is where our constructive and co-creative attitude towards existence starts.
> Ushta, Dino

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