fredag 8 januari 2010

Truth and the conditions for truth

Not at all, Katherine! There's no need to worry here.
Christians, Muslims and Judaists think so, true.
But since when were the Abrahamic faiths the only religions of mankind? Only a minority ever followed them.
Zoroastrianism has much more in common with Brahmanism in India and Daoism in China than with the Abrahamic faiths. And like Zoroastrianism, they have always been interested in qualifying what "truth" is and never claimed anything to be "true" but rather searched for the conditions for truth (meta-truth) rather than placing truth in specific situations.

2010/1/8 Katherine Trammell

But, those who claim to be religious in almost all denominations, all claim to be the only one's who know the truth..

But, when you ask them to qualify or prove what their "truth" is, they cannot.

How then, does it stand for those who claim to know the "truth" not be able to prove their truth?

As far as I can research this problem, only Zoroastrians state that truth is found in reality.

Reality is readily provable. All such "truths" should be able to stand up to the same tests for proof and evidence in an American court of law under rules of evidence.


--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Parviz Varjavand wrote:

From: Parviz Varjavand
Subject: Re: [Ushta] ur (your) comments
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 6:39 AM

Dearest Ardeshir,

It may be that you see the problems with the ways I Iook at you and the Gahan, but you can not back-off and look at yourself and what you are doing with Zartosht and his Gahan. You are reducing Gahan to the level of a Bible and yourself to the level of a Sunday Evangelist holding a Bible. The Bible Evangelist can not see the problem with him/her-self, they always think that they are doing something fresh, deep, wonderful, and presenting their new understanding of the "REAL JESUS" to the flock. Come down from this high horse and tell us what the philosophy of life that YOU like is. In the restaurant of life, you are not ordering the food for thought that YOU like, you are just telling the waiter "I will have what ever Zartosht ordered". That is what I find problematic. Can you tell me one thing you do not like about Zartosht and his Gahan? If you can not, then you are in fantasy land worshiping a fantasy hero.


--- On Wed, 1/6/10, ardeshir farhmand wrote:

From: ardeshir farhmand
Subject: [Ushta] ur comments
To: solvolant@yahoo. com
Cc: Ushta@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 7:45 AM

Dear Parviz,

i really do not understand ur position. i suggest u take time to read my comments with more patience. i believe ashoo zarthosht visions came from a timeless realm of deep and profound understanding, he composed these visions in the gathas. gathas are extremely poetic. and like other ancient indo-germanic literature are very condensed and PURPOSEFULLY have a number of multiple but related meanings.

ur positions arise from the fact that u can not see these wonderful manthras as brilliant visions of an indo-europen seer. u unconsciously import into them
biblical concepts. and that IS A BIG PROBLEM for many including almost everyone who translated them.
the fact is that biblical religions have been ALL dominant religions in the world for the past 1500 years or so.
so it is natural to be influenced by them. but if u want to study what was way before. e.g gathas,
and the first step is to understand them in their original language.


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