onsdag 11 november 2009

Zoroastrian thinkers in and for our time/Getting access to magical minds

Dearest Dino
Haha, but now you are ranking the philosophers like only a PROGRESSIVIST would and isn't the whole point with process philosophy to GET AWAY from Hegel (and Marx) and stop thinking progress and think process instead?
Having said this, I prefer not to speak of ranks but to speak of RELEVANCE which in my philosophy is what process philosophy is all about. Relevance as more important than Truth (hitting the Vocabulary right rather than modifying Vocabulary to serve a higher purpose). And in this sense I of course agree with you 100%.
I wish Deleuze would have known about Zarathushtra (the way Nietzsche actually did) because in that case he would have written about Zarathushtra the way he wrote passionately about Spinoza and Nietzsche and really created a process philosophy pantheon for European philosophy.
So it is in THIS SENSE that Sloterdijk is a giant for our times (and in a sort of twisted backward way so is Zizek, the greatest closet Nietzschean I have ever read). And we can organise a follow-up to the thinker whose name all this thinking carries to us: Zoroastrian philosophy. I'm just happy toi have been recommended and found undoubtedly great books I have not yet read. Wisdom is a wonderful thing and getting access to it is magical indeed!

2009/11/11 Special Kain

It seems that it hasn't been translated yet, and neither have «Spheres I, II and III». Which is a pity, since he's the biggest German philosopher since Nietzsche, Heidegger and Habermas - and undoubtedly the most successful (and most controversial) by far.

I love Spinoza, Nietzsche and (to a lesser extent) Deleuze, but Dewey and Sloterdijk are already on level 2 and definitely heading in the right direction. We as Zoroastrian thinkers can only benefit from their philosophical achievements! I see the link between Zarathushtra and Spinoza, but Dewey and Sloterdijk are on a different level altogether. If Zarathushtra was the beginning, then Dewey and Sloterdijk are the opening chapter to Part Two. This is contemporary civilizationism at its best.

Ushta, Dino // a liberal ironist living in the human zoo

--- Alexander Bard schrieb am Mi, 11.11.2009:

Von: Alexander Bard
Betreff: [Ushta] Free will hasn't died yet / «Rules of the Human Zoo»
An: Ushta@yahoogroups.com
Datum: Mittwoch, 11. November 2009, 17:42

Absolutely!! !
This is most most interesting.
I have actually just ordered thee books by Peter Sloterdjik for vacation reading this winter.
But this Rules of the Human Zoo book you mention, has it been translated from German to English yet?

2009/11/11 Special Kain

I'd like to add that - even though the neurosciences are the hawtest thing at the moment - brain research hasn't proved that we were unable to consciously make decisions. The social neurologization process doesn't make all neuroscience to be true. A free will is only as free as we've managed to grow intellectually and socially. So all the «absolutistic» fuzz about free will is definitely outdated, but the furious opponents are just as hasty. Free will isn't dead, its practical meaning has just changed according to decent and solid research. Please remember that there's also a lot of junk being produced in brain research. The same applied to chaos theory and that dreadful «quantum religion» more than 20 years ago.

What's important now is to look at domestication and selective breeding: how settled communities and their house pets started civilizationism and how this led to people creating people. Civilization and education should be dealt with a little less romantically. Please see Peter Sloterdijk's «Rules of the Human Zoo» for further information. The house metaphor is tremendously important (especially as understood by Plato, Nietzsche and Sloterdijk) when combined with Sloterdijk's auditive metaphors (rather than Greek philosophy's obsession with visual metaphors). This becomes truly interesting when studying «The House of Songs»: it will reveal itself as a metaphor for a truly global and all-inclusive transhumanist society and communicative community. Songs do teach us and connect us to The Others sphereologically, thus inspiring communities.

http://alcor. concordia. ca/~gnosis/ vol_vi/sloterdij k.html

The topic is highly interesting and fascinating! !!

Ushta, Dino // strongly believes that contemporary Zoroastrianism must start with John Dewey and Peter Sloterdijk, therefore overcoming both Baruch Spinoza and Friedrich Nietzsche

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