I believe Ardeshir has a great point here!!!
When Parviz gets upset about the Gathic direction we are taking it is because the previous translations and readings of The Gathas to the western context (and even to Farsi) have been so sloppy. But now when we have Bahman Varza'a translation to German and soon Fariborz' new translation to English and Ardeshir's great interpretation of The Gathas, we can reconquer The Gathas and together with a fresh look at the world through the eyes of modern science, we can present a stronger case than ever for Mazdayasna, both Gathic and scientific and innovative in a modern way.
Ardeshir adds a very interesting spice to our soup, Parviz! Our case is looking more promising than ever, especially with the youth of Iran out in the streets again this week.
And Tajikistan is right now ripe and open to all forms of Zoroastrianism, especially those that present Zarathushtra as an excellent philosopher and do not ask people to openly convert but rather accepting Iranian philosophy as their guideline (as Rahmon himself has publicly done). What makes you think Illm-i-Khshnoom has taken over Tajikistan when we have people like Kamran and Fariborz who have been there conductiing navjotes already according to our very own Mazdayasna?
In any case, the current situation does serve us rather well. The less we look like a religion and the more we present a philosophical lifestyle, the better off we are and the truer we are to the heart of Mazdayasna.
2009/12/10 ardeshir farhmand
i strongly agree with many of ur points. i strongly disagree with the "fantasies" of Dr. farhang Mehr myself. i think his positions are based on " vague personal speculations" rather than the enchanting gathas of the seer. but i confirm according to all ancient and credible zoroastrian traditions: everything IS in the enchanting GATHAS, and u CAN read/find everything in the GATHIC MANTHRAS. in fact, almost the entire, avesta and denkard are a footnote and commentary to the melodious gathas.
the problem is that people such as Mr. Mehr and Dr. Jaffary translations of the gathic charms, are simply speculations of the translators that can in NO WAY be logically substantiated in the original text. the gathic words are twisted to better serve their "mechanical" and so called rationalistic and human-centric views, and all ancient commentaries are dismissed and ridiculed. these peole speak with such authority, as if they knew the seer themselves. yet a simple scientific and comparative study of the gathas shatters a great part of their views entirely.
now, considering tajiks, i strongly disagree with u. i myself, am a born zoroastrian, and i can assure u that zoroastrianism just did not survive in in yazd and kerman. sistanis, lors and some of the mountain people of khorasan and specially the pamir tajiks are still to a great degree zoroastrian, and many times more than us. in fact, we have the chance to make tajikistan our zoorastrian stronghold and homeland.
true, gathic words have purposefully been constructed as such, to give a MULTIPLE layer of amazing and RELATED words, but the aforementioned translations simply ignore
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Parviz Varjavand
There are so many versions of Zoroastrianism I do not care about, and Dame Prof. Dr. Mehr Master Moos's Illm-i-Khshnoom based version is one of the worst and most ridiculous one of them. Rather than jump with joy if Tajiks are converting to her version of Z,ism, I feel like hanging my head in pain and crying bitterly.
Those of us who think we have a version of Zoroastrianism worth spreading amongst intellectuals globally, we should first get together and see what "OUR" version of Zoroastrianism looks like. It is that version of Zoroastrianism we should cheer for and support when it gets spread. And please do not give me, "read your Gathas, it is all there in the Gathas". That is another simplistic way of looking at our religion and not "Making it Fresh" and a beckon of light to the world.
--- On Tue, 12/8/09, ARZ ARZ
From: ARZ ARZ
Subject: Re: [Ushta] Zoroastrianism in Tajikistan
Cc: "maneck d"
Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 7:49 AM
Dr. Meher Master Moos has been doing a great job in Tajikistan and deserves all praise and support for the noble work that she has been carrying on for the cause of Zoroastrianism.
ARZ supports her totally.
In recognition of her stupendous work, ARZ along with AIMZ had felicitated her in a public meeting held in Feb 2008 in Mumbai organized by them on "Acceptance in Zoroastrianism" when Vada Dasturji Dr. Kersey Antia's was the chief speaker.
The Tajiks and other Zoroastrians would surely be welcome in the Zoroastrian Agiary and the Zoroastrian Center that would be set up by ARZ in India.
KHSHNAOTHRA AHURAHE MAZDAO
--- On Tue, 12/8/09, maneck d
From: maneck d
Subject: Re: [Ushta] Zoroastrianism in Tajikistan
To: Ushta@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:41 PM
Well over a decade ago, a Parsi lady Prof. Dame Dr. Meher MasterMoos who has also founded the Z University near Bombay, ((Ph D degrees in the Z Religion are granted there after intensive studies)) had made her travels in Tadjikistan and submitted reports to the Parsis of Bombay, which appeared in the Newspapers and Magazines, which said that the population of that country was very interested in the Z Religion, that Initiations should be performed for the interested parties.
But the Parsis with their attitude of the Purity of their GENES, did not accept her recommendations.
Some Tadjikis did travel to Bombay but were not welcomed into the Parsi Agyaris (Consecrated Fire Temples) and thus it all fell through.
The rulers of that country are also leaning towards the Z Religion though their names sound Islamic.
After the end of the Soviet Communist Era, Islam has its Madrassas in the region and wants to control all the Central Asian Countries!!
If Mobed Kamran and others have done the necessary Initiations, so that should continue.
Dr MasterMoos is a follower of the Ilm-e-Kshnoom Version of the Religion, which has taken roots in India in the Twentieth Century. It is an Esoteric version mostly influenced by the Sufis and their Tarikats.