The whole point with being a Zoroastrian is that you view existence completely differently from what you would otherwise do. If I would not be a Zoroastrian I would be your average western cynical atheistic nihilist. So I would say that my conviction does not affect this and that, it affects everything in my life, all my choices, all my actions. Even if merely microscopically. This is why it is so hard to answer your question on how "Zoroastrianism affects my life" because your question assumes that my life could somehow be different from what it is. But any difference is unthinkable, I have lived as a Zoroastrian for the past 20 plus years. So how would my life be what in relation to what? How could I possibly discuss that on a debating forum?
2009/12/22 Special Kain
I agree, I agree!!!
That's why I tried to start discussions about how Zoroastrians employ their convictions in their everyday lives - several times and always unsuccessfully. :-//
Because it all comes down to the employment of beliefs and convictions and definitions - both in our everyday lives and in science. Theories and definitions can be beautiful and aesthetically appealing and intellectually challenging, but what's really important is how to employ theories and methods in order to change things in accordance with one's interests and hopes. Spinoza was a formidable thinker, but how does Spinozist philosophy affect me? What does it do with me, how does it influence my choice of words and actions? And why would anyone try to convert to Zoroastrianism if Zoroastrianism wouldn't encourage them in their everyday lives and help them make new and richer experiences? If it had no influence on their everyday lives, no-one would care.
And since Zarathushtra stressed ACTIONS and DEEDS, I have always thought that discussions about the employment of Zoroastrian convictions would be perfectly legitimate and inspiring.
--- Parviz Varjavand
Von: Parviz Varjavand
Betreff: Re: [Ushta] "to make true/realize wonder & beauty; ashá/artá, Vedic ŗtá, Norse Urðr,"
Datum: Dienstag, 22. Dezember 2009, 14:18
You are a great scholar and I appreciate very much your post. I, however hate how religions take men hostage to their confused and confusing ideas. Take the concept of Salam and Shalom in Islam and Judaism. While many Muslims and Jews can lecture you until the cows come home about what a profound concept they have in Salam, Shalom, the bottom line is that when it comes to actually doing it, they can not do it, and maybe because they do not know what they were talking about all the while that they were wasting our time pontificating about ideological hogwash.
"Truth" in Science means that "Water boils around a certain temperature" . This Truth is not open to millions of interpretations and manipulations. I call this "Asha in Science". Am I wrong? The rest of the pontifications about Asha, I would like to throw as far away as I can. Why? Because men have hurt each other in the name of abstract Truths they can never define properly. If I want to make my car run well, I use the ASHA of how to take care of parts of my car. But there are no ASHA involved in how I can take good care of my love relations with my wife and children. There I have to go to "ASHA-VAHISHTA" and choose amongst millions of ASHA that may or may not work for me. To confuse ASHA and ASHA-VAHISHTA is to be dumb in the most profound way (as far as I am concerned).
"Thou shallt know Asha and Asha shall set you free"; I wish I could punch who ever said this in the mouth, and feel good about it!
--- On Sun, 12/20/09, ardeshir farhmand
From: ardeshir farhmand
Subject: [Ushta] "to make true/realize wonder & beauty; ashá/artá, Vedic ŗtá, Norse Urðr,"
To: "mehrdad farahmand"
Cc: Ushta@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 8:01 PM
"to make true/realize wonder & beauty; ashá/artá, Vedic ŗtá, Norse Urðr,"
"ashá" is a fascinating concept in Zarathushtra' s teachings, and is the most repeated in the enchanting Gathas or the poetic songs of the seer/prophet. Yasna 27.14 or "ashem vohü" manthra is dedicated to ashá, and is the second most effective manthra in the enchanting songs. The aim of this article is to demonstrate the true meaning of ashá according to the poetic gathas, the ancient exegesis, and a comparative study of ashá in the vedic and norse literature.
ashá, is the second of "ameshá/amertá spentá" or auspicious immortals, hence one of the eternal spiritual aspects, emanations or creations of ahura mazda through which all other creation is realized.
ashá comes from the root ah/as, Proto Indo European "es," meaning: essence, underlying principle, truth, the inward intention, origin, source. Greek "ousia" is a cognate. The ancient commentaries translate ashá/artá as "rásti ahurmazd" meaning the truth of ahurmazd, or the divine essence. As i said in my earlier articles, ashá and ahurá come from the same root, and the ancient commentaries translate ashá also as ahuric virtues, ahuric efficacy, ahuric skill, ahuric excellence, ahuric ability to make true or "ahráyih."
In Avestan the sound "sh" is interchangeable with the sound "rt." Thus, ashá is also interchangeably pronounced as artá. ashá/artá is very closely connected to the idea of ease, flow, skill, creativity in workmanship. It should be added that the ancient exegesis always adds the words "kar o kar-op," or creativity, opus, master-work as a footnote to ashá, ahráyih or ahuric essence/virtues.
ashá/artá 'close connection to "ease in producing the intended effect," is demonstrated in many passages in the enchanting Gathas including; second line of Yasna 27.14 and second line of Yasna 51.8. The word ushtá, meaning "fulfillment of wish/desire, " "radiant happiness," an epithet of ashá, is fundamental to both demonstrating this connection and understanding the concept of ashá.
The Vedic equivalent ŗtá in the Rig Veda also means: truth, true essence and skill in workmanship, and is closely associated with rhythm, verse and the cosmic order.
It might be additionally illuminating to compare the inherent idea of divine virtue/skill/ ease inherent in the idea of ashá/artá with the Proto Indo European ar-ti (Skt. rtih "manner, mode;" Gk. artios "accomplish, complete ;" Armenian arnam "make;" Ger. art "manner, mode"), from the base ar- "fit together, join"
The Norse Urðr is also very close. Urdor is not "fate"[as believed by many. It is rather a continuous FLOW of happenings, actions, abilities and powers that SHAPE and CREATE future and the fabric of reality. Urðr is a a conceptual mystery and refers to how the intentions and activities, are capable of weaving reality. The word seem to carry the inherent idea in ashá/artá in the sense of "to make true" and "to bring to realization. It comes in the same sense in the second line of Yasna 30.9, when it refers to ashá/artá in bringing about the continuous renovation of the existence.
According to Denkard 3.13-14, vöhü manö/consciousness is active in good thoughts, seraosha/inspiratio n in good words, and ashá/artá in good deeds. Ashá is thus "represented as active and effective. In addition, by a word play and referring to the first line of Yasna 33.1 and the first line of Yasna 28.11, Denkard exegesis calls ashá, the discerning eye/áish of life/existence.
The idea of ease and skill to realize and make true, seems to be the underlying principle of ashá. ashá is closely connected to, but is NOT the cosmic order. it is instead the creative and ingenious principle behind the cosmic order and the ethical rules of the humanity. ashá is the flame and spark of the existence, an animating and creative principle of infinite intelligence.
It is important to remember that time and space are relative. At a given moment, in a certain circumstance, there are impossibilities. But from the eternal point, the point beyond time and space, in the infinity of time, NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE, and the existence is an amazing field of magical and awesome possibilities. There is nothing impossible in the existence except what is outside manö/consciousness/ bewusstsein. What is not in our consciousness today, may be in our consciousness after some time for the consciousness can grow and become ever wider/vöhü manö. And this potential possibility of infinite wonder, beauty and awe/vohü is the truth of ahurmazd or "ashem vohü." This wondrous and truly magical essence is at the core of the existence.
According to the third line of "ashem vohü" manthra, the truth/ashá of our being is related to, but different from all others, it is truly unique. But in the truth of our being, according to our own formation, our growth/progress is unlimited. It is LIMITED only by our IGNORANCE of the true ahuric essence of the existence.