Inside or Beyond The Universe? Or Escapism?

Dear Bahman

Good question! Well, here we go:
There are no FAITH STATEMENTS anywhere to be found in The Gathas!
Zarathushtra instead takes a very different approach from the Abrahamic founders of religion. He adresses the wonders of the world as a series of QUESTIONS; questions to which HE does not provide any answer. Not even any guessing.
So Zarathushtra's philosophy is to look at the world in awe and admire it, the Pantheistic credo, not to try to understand it, to domesticate and control the world in any way. To Zarathushtra, the questions are far more interesting than the answers. And answers without facts are irrelevant and of no interest. Which is precisely why there are NONE of them anywhere to be found in The Gathas.

Ushta
Alexander

2009/10/6 Bahman Noruziaan



Dear Alexander,

You have made two claims here:


"Zarathushtra CLEARLY states that we should only make statements about that which we KNOW about and not sit and guess wildly......."

and:

"We do NOT need to have an idea of how everything works, Mehran, Zarathushta said that he did not, and you know it......."

Could elebaorate on these by just referring to where you have got such understanding. Pease note that I do not consider myself in a position to evlauate your cliams, and only want to know where these clear statements have been made by Zarathushtra?
Also, this is also not endorsing Mehran's views which I have not been follwoing for quite sometime and maybe later.

Bahman

To: Ushta@yahoogroups.com
From: bardissimo@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:54:46 +0200

Subject: [Ushta] Inside or beyond The Universe? Or Escapism?


No, this is nonsense, Mehran, and you know it! Logic can only be based on facts and where there are no facts there is no logic but just wild guessing. Don't mistake wild guesses for being logical, OK?
Zarathushtra CLEARLY states that we should only make statements about that which we KNOW about and not sit and guess wildly and come up with silly ideas that do not hold up to scrutiny. We do NOT need to have an idea of how everything works, Mehran, Zarathushta said that he did not, and you know it. Only about that which we KNOW about.
You can have your BELIEFS, Mehran, and I may have mine. But those beliefs that can not proved should be regarded as merely beliefs and not as facts. And please understand once and for all that LOGIC is one thing and INTUITION is another. You seem too be keen to think that YOUR specific intuition is logical but I'm afraid it is not (no intuition is). Many things in nature are not intuitive but rather conter-intuitive even if we KNOW that they are true. Quantum mechanics is one perfect example. It makes little sense to our intuition but it WORKS and it is therefore TRUE even if it goes against our intuition.
I wouls recommend that instead of constantly retreating to the same issue on Ushta, Mehran, you would take a sincere interest in modern science and READ and STUDY it more. I believe this is far more productive than to just endlessly repeating the same issues on a mailing list where people have long ago lost interest in following the tirade.
Your reports from Iran, however, are among the most appreciated contributions of all on Ushta. So are your educational words on Zoroastrian ethics. So keep up the good spirit and stay with that which interests us all. Repetition is not the same as clarification. OK?
Ushta
Alexander