Iris is right, Zoroastrianism does not require us to BELIEVE anything in blind faith whatsoever. So there are Zoroastrian Pantheists and also Zoroastrain PanENtheists. Both are fine and should tolerate each other.
But Mehran, you have to immediately STOP this nonsense about YOU being the only person on the planet understanding The Gathas and YOU being the only person allowed to dictate what it means to be a Mazdayasni.
It is a laughable and pathetic statement. Zarathushtra is our guide, not you.
Yes, The Gathas is important to us all, but that does not that your personal INTERPRETATION of The Gathas is a requirement to be called a Zoroastrian. We have very different interpretations of what Zarathushtra MEANT with his text.
If science proves that anything in The Gathas is wrong, then science is more important, even ZARATHUSHTRA himself believed this. Anything else would be an idiotic belief. The Gathas is NOT a holy book, Zarathushtra NEVER made such a claim.Not anywhere! So stop putting Islam into our beautiful religion! Stop your Gathas worship!
It is NOT the Gathas we are worshipping and celebrating as Mazdayasni, it is the fact that there is a world, that this world existsand is beautiful, and that there is MIND to contemplate within this world.
That is what Mazdayasna means, literally, nothing more and nothing less. Gathaist extremism is an entirely different faith. Book worship is Abrahamic, it is alien to Zarathushtra and to Zoroastrianism. We are not a desert religion! We put our wise minds before ANY book. We are intelligent and not stupid.
2009/8/10 MoobedyAr Mehran Gheibi
You are true. But them matter was begun, when some one in this group wrote that there is not any God beyond the universe, and universe is God itself.
However, the essential point is believing in God as it is taught in GAthA. Without this belief, we do not have any interior cause to be ethical.
Nik-o shAd bAshid
MoobedyAr MehrAn Gheibi.
--- On Mon, 8/10/09, irisfilpot
Subject: [Ushta] Re: The art of NOT insulting others on a mail list
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:32 AM
I know the bearded God thing didn't come from you. I was trying to make the point that the word "God" is pretty open to interpetation and I tend to think most are not refering to the bearded man idea or something sitting in a cloud out of touch.
As for the necessity for an ultimate first cause creator etc I think that very well could be. I really don't have any reason to rise up in conflict with the idea.
The question that arises in my mind over this discussion is this: Is it necessary to explain where the Universe "came from" in order to be a Z? Is this a question that NEEDS to be answered in a definitive way? Or is the Z "faith" really an ethical religion, in which case the answer to that question is only as important as far as it inspires one to do good and stay in the Good Mind? Either view seems to be helpful for some and detrimental to some.
So that is the question. It the answer to this question essential to be a Z?