I'm not actually trying to convert anybody, just to clarify things between us, and Mehran is actually a lot more Nietzschean and rootsy Zoroastrian in his thinking than some people seem to assume. His concept of Ahura Mazda is actually identical to my own (a conclusion we have arrived at through lengthy discussions) with one exception, Mehran is a panentheist while I'm a pantheist. But so are many other Zoroastrians and I have no problem with that. But what's more important, Parviz, our version of Zoroastrianism has already more or less won in the west and is now the mainstream opinion within the Zoroastrian community both in Europe and Latin America, at least. Ushta plays its part in this too. Lets debate more to clarify, that's good. Conversions can never be our goals, conversions or modifications of beliefs are our very own private choices. Not the goals of others.
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>>Alex trying to convert Mehran and vice-verse is a waste of time<<
I think if the there is a huge attachment to the outcome to convert then yes, it is a waste of time. I don't think that the dialog itself is a waste of time. I find some of Mehran's comments interesting and I find some of Alex's interesting. I admit I am impressed with anyone who chooses to serve a community as their life's vocation.
If one finds (for example and this is just an example, not at anyone in particular) catholics ridiculous, there are some things catholics may have right. A Z doing something that a catholic might does not mean that action makes one a non Z because everything a catholic does is wrong so Z's can't do or believe anything similar. (Unless it really is counter to Z practice or ideology.)
For a group of people who do not expound on an afterlife idea, there seems to be a million ways you all are telling each other to go to Hell. That does seem to be a trait that followers of Abrahamic religions tend to excell on.
--- In Ushta@yahoogroups.com, "roryyoung15"
> Dear Parviz,
> Not long at all. And if you get your way I won't be here for much longer I assure you.
> I'm not stopping you from carrying on from where you got to. Please continue. No one told you to stop.
> Don't worry about having to be nice to newcomers Parviz because you're not being nice to newcomers at all Parviz, you are very unfriendly actually. You suggested I go somewhere else when I first started posting!
> As for accusations, I haven't accused you of anything, you said you were again being obnoxious and I agreed with you. I thought you had come up with quite an accurate adjective so I areed.
> No need to et your knickers in a knot.
> --- In Ushta@yahoogroups.com, Parviz Varjavand
> > Dear Rory,
> > How long have you been on this list?
> > What is nauseating is the position of; "we have to hear any idea from anyone who drops in and starts pontificating
> > about anything they wish and that everybody else should stop where they were getting to and start all over again". I am out of this having to start all over again just to be nice to newcomers; we have become a Zoroastrian tourist information service at its shallowest level here at Ushta. Good for the Parsis to tell the tourists to go educate themselves somewhere else.
> > Fed up with your accusations
> > Parviz