Reincarnation was introduced to Hinduism from the Dravidian religions that existed on the Indian subcontinent prior to the arrival of the Indo-Europeans from the northwest.
For example, the early Indian civilization in the Indus Valley did NOT practice any beliefs in reincarnation. There is no reincarnation in Iranian, Celtic, Roman, Greek, Germanic, Slavic or Nordic Paganism.
Which is precisely why I am a Zoroastrian and not a Hindu, I like to keep my Indo-European religion close to its brilliant origins. Neither Dravidian nor Abrahamic influences interest me.
2009/9/15 MoobedyAr Mehran Gheibi
I can not accept your claim about Indo-European faiths. All the Indian faiths are based on spirituality. They believe that they should impose suffer on material body to develope/improve the spiritual soul. Fasting, not marrying, long praying, meditation, not eating meat and ... are some evidences that prove my idea and refuse yours. Another evidence is reincarnation. Upon it they believe that the soul exits a material body and enter other material body to improve..... All of the Indo_European gods and goddess are spiritual that live in spiritual world.
The mAni (manichaeus) and his faith is another evidence.
In Mehr yasht it is written that a faithful person should beat his body knout, to improve his soul.
Dear Alexander you tell that Indo -European believe in this and in that, however without any evidence or reasoning. Do you expect me to accept it blindly?
Nik-o shAd bAshid
MoobedyAr MehrAn Gheibi.
--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Alexander Bard
From: Alexander Bard
Subject: Re: [Ushta] End of discussion ordered!!! (was: AhMaz and Asha (was The Gheibis))
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 1:22 AM
Pantheism was the ideology of all Indo-European faiths.
There was no reason for them to even discuss pantheism because they could not in their wildest imagination believe in anything else but a pantheistic universe.
To discuss pantheism, you need an alternative opposite, like panentheism, to compare with.
But panentheism, the idea that God dwells outside of physical existence, did not exist until the Egyptians developed the idea. It was an alien idea to the Indo-Europeans, which is why Hinduism is Pantheist too.
But the Egytians pased the idea on to the Babylonians and the Jews which gave birth to the Abrahamic faiths.
The Indo-Europeans never took on this idea.
2009/9/14 Special Kain
Please don't mix science with metaphysics! There is nothing to prove, simply because this is a question of (personal) taste. So either you're attracted to pantheism or the idea that there was The Almighty Creator sitting above the clouds far, far away and spying on us.
In the media Zoroastrianism is still that primitive proto-Christian faith that invented god and the devil, heaven and hell, the immortal soul and the like: monotheism at its most primitive! This is what anyone who's ever heard of Zoroastrianism thinks about our philosophy. There are translations that support this interpretation. But we're encouraged to use our own minds and draw conclusions based on our aesthetic judgment. Personally, I'm much more attracted to evolutionist and pragmatist reasoning. I don't need monotheism to make my day.
So why not focus on what we have in common? It's the ethical imperative: to maintain a constructive mentality even in a hostile environment, to adapt a co-creative attitude towards existence, to have good thoughts, speak good words and do good things in life. This is what matters the most, since we can't verify theories: we can only observe the effects of how theories are being applied. Where does this leaves us? Whether one chooses pantheism or panentheism doesn't really matter at all.