The Body/Soul Divide

Dear Iris

No, your reasoning is actually extremely illogical.
The fact that a body can exist WITHOUT a soul does not in any way prove that a soul can exist without a body. Rather the other way round. The fact that one thing is independent of another thing does not in any way say anything about the opposite.
Rather I would say that there is no soul, there is just a body. And that body can be switched on (appear to include a soul) or be switched off (appear to contain no soul). But there can be no light without the lamp.
THAT is logical.
The whole idea of a soul separate from the body is Egyptian. It's just not harbored in Indo-European thought. We have to stop read Zarathushtra as if he was an Egyptian. He was not. He was a Central Asian Persian.

Ushta
Alexander

2009/7/9 irisfilpot



Hi

>>If Humans want to have afterlife, then Humans have to create, design and build afterlife themselves.<<

Leaving what one wants or desires aside. This is an observation I have made. I have seen people with bodies who are alive. I have seen bodies that are dead. And I have seen a body where the life is there one second and gone the next. (ie watched someone die.)
I read alot about soul not existing separate from the body, life isn't separate from the body etc. But we all agree that there are bodies that have no life in them when they did at one time. Bodies exist without life and they exist with life. I have to wonder why I would decide from this observation that life can not exist without a body? It seems more logical to conclude to me that life exists without a body in the same way a body can exist without life. Life isn't something we see in a tangible way, but we can tell the difference between a dead body and a living one.

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