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Zoroastrianism and The Word Incarnated

The concept of "The Word Incarnated" is based on the belief that form exists before materia.
Basically, God has to first pronounce something for that thing to come into existence.
The concept of Jesus Christ as Logos is basically the belief that God had the idea to himself become incarnated as Jesus Christ even before the world came into existence.
So Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ were all ideas that God came up with at the same time, so to speak.
It is one of the strangest ideas ever and certainly not something I believe in in any way whatsoever. But it is absolutely fundamental to all Christianity.
However, we know now perfectly well that "words" and language began to exist only 150,000 years ago when humans became capable of talking and is a human phenomenon and not really anything else. Written language has existed for merely 7,000 years at most.
And the world is far older than that. About 14 billion years to be precise.
But then again, I'm not a Christian, I'm a Zoroastrian. And we don't have problems like these to deal with. We don't need incarnated "words" and "prophecies". The future is OPEN in our religion. And WE are the co-creators of that future.

Ushta
Alexander

2008/8/14 Zaneta Garratt

Hi Dina, As far as I know it means the same thing-John speaks of Jesus as Logos -the word in Greek in John Ch:1, but you can check out this with Ron if you want, best wishes from Zaneta


To: Ushta@yahoogroups.com
From: DINAMCI@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:03:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ushta] The Word Incarnate

Dear Zaneta,

I understand that in Christian theology, the idea of Christ coming to earth as a man, would reflect the idea of the divine incarnate. But what I do not understand is what Christian theologians mean about the "Word" incarnate.

Wishing us the best,

Dina G. McIntyre


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From: Zaneta Garratt
To: ushta@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:25 am
Subject: RE: [Ushta] The Word Incarnate


Hi Dina, as far as I know the word incarnate-it means that God, the first part of the Holy Trinity, came down to earth in the form of His Son, Jesus, the second part of the Holy Trinity-the Third part of the Holy Trinity, the Holy Spirit, Jesus had sent down to help His followers when he ascended to Heaven.The Holy Spirit came down as tongues of fire on the day of Pentecost and the desciples could speak in other languages-the gift of tongues, one of the gifts of the holy spirit-the others are gifts of healing, prophesy etc-Saint Patrick when he preached Christianity to the Irish in the 400's compared the Holy Trinity to a shamrock which has 3 leaves joined together yet seperate-the three in one and one in three. I see some similarities to the Holy Spirit and Spenta Mainyu and the concept of the Holy Trinity to Ahura Mazda and the 6 Amesha Spentas. Best wishes from Zaneta

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